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Post by schodackbassman on Jun 19, 2015 11:20:14 GMT -5
Champlain came in I think 14th and Bomoseen made it (forget number, around sixty something I think. Several bodies of water in NY made it too.
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Post by fishingmachine on Jun 19, 2015 13:17:13 GMT -5
I'm glad LC is down on the list,we get enough pressure as it is
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Post by rgang4 on Jun 19, 2015 19:13:01 GMT -5
If that's so we fell nine places since last year. We were 5th best last year if my memory is correct.
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Post by vtbass on Apr 27, 2019 6:38:50 GMT -5
It always amazes me how Champlain anglers forget just how different it is here. If you think we get too much pressure, you haven’t really looked at how many anglers there are in other lakes in the country, especially in the Midwest and the south. We have a fraction of the pressure. Anglers from those areas would say Champlain is empty. On top of that, if you look at our VT license sales now compared to here just 20 years ago, we have nearly 30,000 LESS anglers now. So how was the pressure 20 years ago? Honestly, we need more anglers (which is a nationwide trend, but we just notice it here more) since the sale of fishing licenses and the federal excise taxes collected by Federal Aid in Sportfish Restoration and redistributed to state F&W agencies is what pays for fisheries conservation and management programs.
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Post by schodackbassman on Apr 28, 2019 14:51:56 GMT -5
Bought mine a last week. Good for 2019. It's true that other parts of the country they have to fish on top of each other where you normally don't even south lake. That's probably why the guys from Jersey, Mass, etc. don't think anything of coming in and fishing on top of you. Thought to be honest, that happened a lot more 10 years ago then it does now. I still like fishing during the week when it's reasonably quiet. There does seem to be a lot of bass boats running around but where they all go to actually fish is pretty spread out. Even south lake.
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Post by rgang4 on Apr 29, 2019 10:48:32 GMT -5
I don’t think we have 30,000 less bass anglers but sure a lot less residents fishing today, especially younger ones. Not sure why, fishing is still very good here.
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Post by vtbass on Apr 30, 2019 7:56:28 GMT -5
Roy: So, I was out of state at a hockey tournament when I wrote that we're down 30,000 anglers from 20 years ago. I was going by memory of the VT license sale data I had looked at a year ago or so. So, here's the actual data from Vermont since 1950. I was close (but low) in my guess as to how much we are down, just off in my time frame. From our peak period of license sales from 1981 through 1988 or so, we sold just over 160,000 licenses (resident and non-residents combined). We are now at about 112,000 for 2018. Since the graph below ends in 2015, the numbers for 2016, 2017, and 2018 are as follows:
| 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | Resident | 78,268 | 74,167 | 71,804 | Non-Resident | 40,189 | 40,875 | 41,176 | Total | 118,457 | 115,042 | 112,980 |
Since the peak in the mid 1980's we are down 47,000 license sales. This is dramatic. I have further demographic breakdowns of how that breaks out by age, sex, county ... but the bottom line is we are in a downward spiral, and this isn't going to end well for fisheries conservation and management programs without a miraculous turn around. In just the last 3 years alone, we've lost 5,500 license sales.
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Post by rgang4 on Apr 30, 2019 10:51:17 GMT -5
And it seems to be a loss of residents lately like I guessed. I also guessed it’s because younger people are not getting into fishing. I take several kids fishing every year. This year I will try to find others.
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Post by schodackbassman on Apr 30, 2019 16:27:45 GMT -5
It's interesting out of state licenses are up while resident license have dropped over 6K just the last few years. I'd attribute it to two things and what's going on in VT is also going on in NY.
1) Young people aren't fishing as much as we did as kids, there is just so much competition for the kids entertainment time and dollars. Plus the baby boomers who fished are no longer able to get out or are worm food.
2) The politics of NY, and I see the same thing in VT, is chasing republicans/conservatives who tend to live in suburban/rural areas and who also tend to hunt/fish, out to more friendly states. We got NYC elected officials, VT has what they call flatlanders, gaining more and more power/influence in government. They have no concern what so ever for traditions they are not part of. The Democrats in NY are actually happy to chase republicans out of state even if they take large incomes and move out of expensive homes paying high taxes because it gives them absolute power. I'm not sure who they think is going to pay for all the social programs they keep promoting but sooner or later they are going to run out of folks to tax. I see the same thing going on in VT. Upstate NY populations are down dramatically the past 11 year (Cuomo years) and I think I've read or saw on VT news stations that VT's population is down also. I'd bet a case of fine Vermont IPA's that if you analysis who moved out of VT and who's moved in you will find the same thing happening in VT that is happening in NY. My point is not to promote one party over the other, I don't think this is the place for that and how an individual votes is none of my damn business. My point is that the population of NY/VT is changing due to polices of elected officials and the population that is bailing out tend to also hunt/fish.
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